Yeah, it's tough to like Bonds. But roids or not, I love watching the guy swing. His bat speed is amazing. His knee is definitely hampering his ability to turn on the ball. The next 40 are gonna be tough for him.

My only problem with Hank was that he hit a lot of HRs to a left-field fence that would be long pop-flys in many modern ballparks. Willie Mays nearly got 700, but he was hitting in insanely difficult parks his entire career.

As far as cheating goes, does speed, cocaine, and amphetamines count as cheating? If so, how does that impact other great players from the past? Are any records garnered by the great players of the 90's suspect? I only ask because as more guys are retiring and speaking out, the more appropriate questions appears to be "who wasn't doing 'roids?"

As good as Bonds was (pre-injury), the most impressive baseball performance for an older athlete was Clemen's ridiculous ERA at over 40.

C'mon, move your arm in the picture - you're blocking the hooch.

McClelland,

You know what I want to do to you?

First, I'd wrap the smooth side of a roll of sandpaper around my cock. Then, I'd sodomize you repeatedly.

I wouldn't stop until I see a rosebud weeping crimson, bitch.

Bonds is a cheater and an all time narcissist. If he could see anything in the world beyond himself, he would step down with as much grace as is left to him.

I started to rip Blu for his "everyone did it" defense - and he does deserve some ripping for believing cocaine produces better baseball play, instead of merely producing an altered player who mistakenly believes he is playing better.

However, the question of playing on amphetamines is an interesting one. Do amphetamines improve baseball play? Even though generations of players may have believed amphetamines improve play, I'm going to say they do not. I'm a novice about drugs. I've never taken amphetamines. I've taken No Doz. I'm going to say amphetamines, like No Doz, would make a player more eager to get up off the bench and run out onto the field; as opposed to dragging their tired body off the bench, and trudging their tired body onto the field for another inning. Would amphetamines actually improve hand to eye coordination, or visual perception? I'm going to say no, with the caveat that I am a novice, and am only guessing. I'm guessing an amphetamine-amped player would FEEL more energetic when getting off the bench, or when chasing down a fly ball; but would not actually HAVE improved coordination, improved visual perception, or improved strength. I may be on shaky moral ground, but I believe amphetamine cheating is not in the same league with steroid cheating. Steroid cheating definitely allows improved strength, in a way which changes the game. Amphetamine cheating merely allows the player to feel more energetic. Even if players felt less energetic, they would still run out to the field, and chase down fly balls. I don't believe Amphetamine cheating had a tactile impact on game results. It was cheating. Maybe it had an impact on player's confidence. But it did not allow anyone to run the bases any faster. Steroid cheating did.

Steroids, as we all know, make a difference, gcotharn. Obviously, though, the person has to do the work in order to see the results. In the case of Bonds, he obviously did the weight training. Perhaps, more importantly, the "roids" and the human growth formula can help older atheletes avoid injury or recover more quickly. They don't, however, improve your hand to eye ability. So, you can question Bonds HR numbers if you like but not his place as one of the great hitters of all-time. Bonds, by the way, is more than a narcissist; he is a complete and utter ass. He's like Terrel Owens and Rick Barry (sorry for the old reference) on crack.

I'll leave it to you do your own research on the impact and relevance of amphetamine/speed/cocaine. I can tell that the players who took these drugs definitely believed they would help. I would also add that professional athletes have always used whatever substances they could get their hands on in order to improve performance. I suspect that they will continue.

Good Gawd, it's time to institute a cover charge in this place.

Bonds is a shining example of what happens when money is all that matters. Liar, cheater and drug abuser...multi-millionaire...the savior of MLB. Sad...